Trouble in paradise Josh vs Jill at Y&R

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There an article out from last week saying Josh is on his way out, and Josh & Jill not getting along....Sounds like trouble in paradise here the article-

http://highlighthollywood.com/2013/08/insiders-at-the-young-and-the-rest...


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I think I called it a month

I think I called it a month or so ago...

Josh will be fired. Guza or someone else will be brought in to pair with JFP, and Y&R will be TOTALLY destroyed.

Then everyone will be happy.

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Yep, this is why it's a scary

Yep, this is why it's a scary thought if JG is fired. The real problem is JFP, she's the one who really should go. And JG needs a co-head.

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I think if Josh had been left

I think if Josh had been left alone this entire time to do his thing, and not have to feature SB, the feel of the show wouldn't be so uneven.

I DO think he understands the history of the show...we get characters correctly referring to their pasts...

SHE IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GO.

I am also afraid if he's fired, and she gets to bring in a friend, we'll see the show spiral even further.

Right now it feels like the Lynn Latham hour for me when I watch. Granted the writing is much better than hers (shudder), but it's mostly choppy and not lush looking like its signature. And the music...sigh...

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I'm all for Jill getting canned

I'm all for Jill getting canned. I don't think she gets Y&R AT ALL!!! She is going full throttle in her vision for Y&R which has stripped it of its signature look and sound. JFP sounds like she operates purely on ego and has learned nothing from her past failures as shes repeating them again here. As many have pointed out, only in daytime can train wrecks keep getting hired again.

As for Josh, I have to say the way the writing team is set up now is not working for me. I was watching Nick/Sharon yesterday as they shared a moment about their past where she got poison oak on a date with him. WTF??? These characters have been on since the early 90's and you have to make shit up that never happened? It's not just them either. I've heard similar made up bullshit shared between Victor/Nikki, Nikki/Victoria, Phyllis/Jack, Summer/With anyone, just to name a few. Hell even Neils current story is all about making up an event in his past that never happened and to tell the story we have to sit through a nauseating amount of expository dialogue to build up this lazy bullshit.

I'm sorry but Josh sucks! He agreed to write this show and then was too lazy to write these characters correctly that honored their colorful pasts. Phyllis, Victoria, Jack, Victor, Nikki, Jill...all these characters that were once clearly defined are all running around on JG's show as neutered watered down versions of their former selves. As screwed up as I found Maria Bells Y&R I find this one a bit worse because I truly don't get the Y&R vibe anymore.

I think the only shot Y&R has at truly becoming a smart show again is if Steve Kent at Sony gets a clue and reinstates the people Bill Bell spent years and even decades training to take over. Those people are Kay Alden, Ed Scott, Jack Smith. Any outsider with no knowledge of the show will continue the downfall of it.

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Yes, Yes, and Yes, Restless

Yes, Yes, and Yes, Restless Fan.

They are making up lots of stuff when all they need to do is draw on the show's history. I, like most other fans, am a sucker for flashbacks. Why did Josh feel the need to create this ridiculous, insulting retcon for Neil Winters? Why are Sharon and Nick talking about silly stuff that never happened?

Josh is just as bad as Jill. They both need to be shown the door; and if they keep him, he should be demoted from Head Writer.

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I think he's had some good

I think he's had some good ideas...but yes, a strong HW like Kay could guide him!

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and now the Slow Death

Super Dylan delivered his child what wold be exactly 3.9 months early, or the child would have been immediately rushed to a pre-trauma care center. The closest to Detroit would the U of M Hospital in Ann Arbor.

The child would have weighed about 1.5 pounds, and had to have artificial surfactant pumped into it's system, since the poor thing wouldn't be able to process oxygen properly.

There definitely would not have been any of this Chelsea basically pushing between the 12:53 pm segment, and huffing and puffing during the 1:01 pm segment, and then out pops Baby Connor, to be caught by Dylan in a baseball glove. (Good catch, Dylan)

Adam: Chelsea is months early?...

Now Neil is remembering what happened to The Rose. Yes Josh, lock yourself in your dressing room, and dont come out.

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The reason the Rose story

The reason the Rose story isn't clicking is because the key element is missing: Dru.

As bad as the whole storyline construction is, if Vicky Rowell were there to play out the rage and despair of a woman who feels betrayed because her husband slept with someone else just days after she "died", this story would be gripping to watch.

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Super Dylan is a good example

Super Dylan is a good example of whats wrong overall with the writing. It lacks common sense and logic. For over 30 years Y&R was written as an intelligent soap. That's the Y&R I remember and the one I have not seen in a LONG time.

That scene with Dylan delivering the baby was so hokey I had to laugh at the absurdity. It was all so Soapdish. Chelsea in her white gown, hair in perfect place, never broke a sweat in the all but 2 minutes it took for the baby to be born. Then there is Dylan with his baby jesus born to this world not crying, fully developed and immediately wrapped in a blanket nice and neat for his idiot new parents.

I'm hoping somewhere back stage someone grabbed JFP and JG, turned them upside down and slapped their collective unimaginative asses.

I'm gonna tune in regularly now that Kay's death starts but if JG fucks it up (and odds are he will) I'm giving the show a break til news of a solid regime change is announced (if ever). I'm tired of sticking by this show waiting for someone, ANYONE to get it right.

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Josh and Jill: Thank God for

Josh and Jill: Thank God for Youtube!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=basJB6eTXug

Do you think Farren Phelps likes baths?

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Oh the ugliness1

I haven't tuned out completely but not racing to my DVR,(down in demos once again), or to watch live & I haven't been on CBS's website to view YR in months but have for BB. It's not must see TV, JG isn't the right HW for YR, neither is JFP and her agenda. I've given a both a chance to WOW me...well only part that had the WOW factor was pre-anniversay stories & Baldwins. There have been excellent scenes between actors..PB & HK was a great example of actors turning shit into sugar. They both are not a good fit for YR, as the last 7-8 years worth of disgusting EPs & HWs...when something isn't broke why tamper? This is exactly what Sony & LML did in beginning of her reign by firing EVERYONE associated with Bill's longtime staff of writers, producers etc.. Sony thought it was there chance to "reinvent" YR and look it's an epic fail for how many years? This isn't YR! All of the regimes from LML to current destroyers of YR but USING YR's coat tails on Bill Bell's name to push agendas. Way to many characters. Sony & CBS needs WAKE UP and put some of Bill's longtime writers & producing staff in charge and watch how the look & feel of the real YR would emerge....I know this regime will totally louse up the Katherine death story and I will not watch this madness. It will ruin a 40 year legendary vet as Jeanne, to have Cane somehow in charge of everything or better yet JFP will figure out how to make Dylan a lost "Chancellor" heir and inherit EVERYTHING! (being sarcastic) Evil

BB is kicking butt right now and is the best soap on TV and DOOL is close second...with Kay, Jack, Rex & Ed Scott on Brad's team...hmmmm old of guard of YR rocking the stories. This soap is all about the torture of love and relationships, family and dysfunction plus we still have old fashion real location shots! I'm so enjoying the Monte Carlo location story between Bill & Brooke....hot damn! It's definitely a Bell soap and feels more like YR (than YR now) because of this team!

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Amen!!

Amen!!

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Saving Y&R

At this juncture, the damage has already been done. JFP has systematically ruined this one great show and she didn't have to do much to do it. The show was already in bad shape by the time MAB was kicked to the curb and now, Jill is just following in MAB's footsteps, making the show unrecognizable and unwatchable! It's time for both Jill and Josh to go! If you're as sick of it as I am, then get in on the campaign on FB by friending our FB page, "Save YoungRestless" and following our tweets @saveyrtoday. We're the same people that led the campaign to rid the show of MAB and her cronies! It's time to do it again!

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Amen Harlee and glad to see

Amen Harlee and glad to see you back. Smile

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Preach Harlee Preach!!!

Amen. I agree with you on everything you have said. B&B is awesome. As I have said all week Monte Carlo, SLS's the palace and yachts. As soaps fans we could not ask for more.

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I thought JG was a good

I thought JG was a good writer. I doubt the replacement will be better. IMO, the problem is JFP and her hiring, sets, and music choices. JG is good with character driven storylines, but you can do only so much with the shit you are given (looking at Dullan).

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Harlee B&B is hot! Hot! Hot!

I, too, am more in B&B these days, esp with the introduction of some new characters.... don't know what to make of this Wyatt character with his wild hairstyle and those silly faces he makes, but anyone that puts that holier than tho Liam in his place is good with me!

Still missing Stephanie.

The stallion/Brooke/Katie triangle is magic. I see another Daytime Emmy for Heather Tom next year.... the tears, today, and honestly telling her idiotic husband she loves him and wants him back, that WAS acting.

Brooke just stands there, the HO that she is. I love how Brooke can run in high heels. She did is again in Monte Carlo.

I can do WITHOUT the maps.... I know where LA and Monte Carlo and Aspen are... I don't need those maps reminding me.

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Maps

TraceyAbbot101 wrote:
I can do WITHOUT the maps.... I know where LA and Monte Carlo and Aspen are... I don't need those maps reminding me.

The maps thing is really cartoonish, I don't know why they think people don't know where these places are, LOL. What happened to the good old text under the beginning of the scene? That always looked nice.