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All the talk about Iris and Alexandra leads me to a topic of recasts. Specifically recasts in which the next actor plays the role much longer than the former actor but which never quite eclipses the original in my view.
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1 Tom Hughes (ATWT). Scott Holmes played Tom the longest but I would much rather had Gregg Marx or Justin Deas continue in the role. Scott was always a place holder to me. While he always gave a solid performance, I thought he was kinda boring.
2 Roman Brady (DAYS). Speaking of place holders, hasn't Chris Kozichek I mean Josh Taylor, place held this part long enough? I want Wayne Northrop back!
3 Alexandra Spaulding (GL) Marj Dusay did a very good job with Alex and frequently hit it out the ball park, but I never forgot Beverlee Mckensie even for a minute. Irreplaceable!
4 Jack Abbott (Y&R). Sorry folks but Smilin' Jack is and always will be Terry Lester. Peter Bergman might not be Jack but he plays one on tv...... (I know that I can not be alone in this!)
5 Vicki/Marley Hudson (AW) Jensen Buchanan played this part for the longest but I never forgot Anne Heche or Ellen Wheeler in the roles. Anne's Vicky was spectacular and I loved both Ellen's choices in the parts of the twins. Jensen was ok. But heck I even enjoyed Cynthia Watros when she filled in for Jensen for a few episodes!
6 Victoria Newman (Y&R). Amelia Heinle has not been on quite as long as Heather Tom yet but she is certainly working in that direction. Is there even one day that someone somewhere wasn't wanting to see Heather back in the part? Ok maybe during some of the Billy Abbott early days.....

I am sure that there are more out there but these are the ones that always stood out to me.


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Ellen, Anne, Jensen

Mark, I agree with you on five out of six. Scott Holmes was THE Tom Hughes for me. Maybe that's because I never got to see Justin Deas in the role and only saw the the last couple of months of Gregg Marx.

My favorite daytime character of all time is Another World's Vicky Hudson as played by Ellen Wheeler and Anne Heche. Objectively speaking, Ellen Wheeler did a much better job in distinguishing Vicky from Marley. I was always amazed at Ellen's ability to change not only her appearance but also the timbre of her voice. Her Vicky had a husky, seductive voice while Marley's voice was rather tiny and girlish.

I think Anne Heche brought a lot of the real-life pyschological trauma she experienced growing up to the role of Vicky. She excelled at playing a woman with an intense hunger for acceptance and love. Anne was; however, never quite believable as Marley. I don't think she liked the character very much.

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Those original Spaulding

Those original Spaulding siblings were tough acts to follow. Just like Beverlee McKinsey is still the person I identify as the ultimate Alexandra Spaulding, I feel the same way about Chris Bernau as Alan Spaulding despite his being in the role for half as many years as Ron Raines.

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Soap Armageddon I agree with

Soap Armageddon I agree with your assessment of the Marly/Vicky role and I too love this character and is one of my favorite roles of all time. At least top 5 or 6!
Daniel St John You are very right about the Spaulding family! Ron Raines never had the impact that Chris Bernau did. However Ron was a very solid performer. It would have been interesting to see him create a role. He would definately be my number 7....

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Kate Roberts - DAYS. Deborah

Kate Roberts - DAYS. Deborah Adair originated the role. While Lauren Koslow plays a sexier version of Kate, I felt Adair's interpretation truly translated Kate's despair over her lost children, Austin and Billie, her desire to be married to Victor, her yearning for son, Phillip, and her protectiveness of Lucas. Even the Vivian/Kate rivalry made more sense.
Lauren Koslow plays Kate like a vixen, not so much a corporate shark.

Billie Reed - DAYS. I did not enjoy Krista Allen's interpretation of Billie. Lisa Rinna owned the spirit of Billie. Julie Pinson did an admirable job, but Lisa Rinna was the first and best "Billie." That said, I did not enjoy Lisa Rinna's subsequent returns.

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the Reeds

I guess this is where I say again that I've never cared much for any member of the Roberts/Reed family (Kate, Curtis, Austin, Billie, Lucas, the space twins) no matter who the actors were that were playing them. Smile

Kate is the one I find most tolerable.....at times.

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Patchworks I agree about Kate

Patchworks I agree about Kate too. I have grown accustomed to Lauren Koslow but many times I have wondered about what the character would have been with Deborah Adair still in the role. Certainly she would have been more motherly towards her children. I always got this incest vibe with Lauren and her sons. Lauren doesn't have a matronly bone in her body and to have given birth so much, it seems kind of weird. Having said that, I have known of other women of such large broods that weren't very mother like in real life.
However, I think the show would benefit from a more matriarchal character. It is a role that has not really been filled since Alice Horton died. Yeah Aunt Maggie can sub but she seems more like everyone's best friend rather than a mom. Marlena certainly doesn't fill the role. Julie Williams could be a terrific overbearing mother type and stick her nose in everything but she's never on the show! Kate could have been in the position of filling that position.
SoapArmageddon I pretty much agree with you on your assessment of the Roberts clan. I liked Lisa the best with RKK as Bo. I have gotten used to Lucas over the years but he wasn't ever my favorite person or anything. I love Will to death and have since he was a kid. But I would also add that I don't care for Phillip either. He and Brady have had this twin uncle/nephew thing where I didn't really see any difference between the two characters at any point in time. I also hated him during the Belle/Mimi/Shawn D time. Even becoming a war hero and getting his foot cut off didn't help make him more interesting (did he grow his foot back? because no one ever mentioned that again.) This has been such a strange family on a soap because there are sooo many of them yet they never felt like a cohesive family ever. Maybe because they are a family simply because of a mother who couldn't cross her legs but also couldn't be bothered to really raise her offspring. Well to be fair she did raise two of them. Funny enough they are the two that are the most unpleasant of the group. Funny enough the villain Curtis raised the two nicest ones ( Billie and Austin) lol. As for the space twins! Geez what a mistake that story was.

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A Need for Strong Mother Figure-type

@Marknsprmo,

I was just thinking about the necessity of a mother-figure for DAYS. The foundation of DAYS is based on midwestern family archetypes; soaps rooted in strong families should have a strong, maternal mother-figure. On OLTL, it's Vicky. On ATWT, Doug Marland created Mama Snyder. On DAYS, it was Alice Horton.

Although Days can't replace Mrs. H as a character, they can replace the mother-figure archetype. They could have done it with Caroline Brady, but now, with the Alzheimer's diagnosis, her reach as a character is diminished. Julie Williams would be awesome. I could also see Adrienne Kiriakis fill that role, if she'd ever stop crying... (Adrienne's been crying since the 80's. Judi Evans KNOWS that role!)

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I agree they never had

I agree they never had Caroline step up to the plate. She was usually in the background for the past thirty years. Her interesting history aside, mostly she was just there to wring her hands over Bo. LOL about Judi Evans. Hands down THE female crier on daytime. Could you imagine Doug Davidson and Judi Evans being sad in the same scene? (btw I love both of these actors and have enjoyed Judi in almost all of her roles. I did not enjoy her as much as Mimi's mom though. Maybe she didn't cry enough!)

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Recast Roles

For me, although Beth Chamberlain played Beth on GL the longest, the original actress (Judi Evans) will always be Beth.

Same for Opal on AMC. Jill Larson played her the longest but Dorothy Lyman will always be Opal for me.

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Dual Roles

marknsprmo wrote:
Ron was a very solid performer. It would have been interesting to see him create a role. He would definately be my number 7....

Here's hoping OLTL returns so you can see Ron Raines in a role he created.

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Susan Flannery as Laura Spencer Horton - Days

Susan Flannery did not originate the role of Laura Horton. An actress by the name of Floy Deen originated the role and played her very briefly in 1966. Susan played the part for the longest continued stretch of time ('66-'75). So technically this post doesn't meet Mark's criteria.

Another Susan, Susan Oliver, played Laura from 1975 to 1976 and Rosemary Forsyth played her from 1976 to 1980. Jaime Lyn Bauer had the role almost as long ('93-'00) as Susan Flannery and has played the role on a recurring basis several times since then.

I've only seen Susan Flannery play the part in Youtube clips and she was tremendous. I'm pretty sure that those who were watching the show back then still miss her.

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Recast Roles

I agree with fmatt55 about Judi Evans as Beth Raines. Even though see played the role for only 3 years she was the only Beth that mattered. I also preferred Kimberly Simms as Mindy over Krista Tesreau.

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Judi Evans was the only Beth

Judi Evans was the only Beth Raines. Chamberlin was never accepted in the role. A horrible recast. Her first stint was mercifully short and nobody missed her. She was brought back the second time because she and Paul Rauch had been lovers in the past.

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Respectfully disagree....

Regarding Beth Raines, I love Judi Evans, she can basically do no wrong in my book(well, except for that horrible Bonnie role on DAYS). That said, Beth Chamberlain KILLED as Beth, particularly after she came back in '98. Again, not taking anything away from Judi, but Beth is a phenomenal actress(and I think a fair number of viewers thought she was just as good as Judi in the role). As for Mindy, Kimberly Simms will always be THE Melinda Sue Lewis for me.

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Judi Evans

What do you guys have against Judi Evans' "Bonnie"? She was great comic relief. Bonnie needs to visit Salem again, and never meet Adrienne, just for kicks. Lol!

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I personally didn't like

I personally didn't like Bonnie either. I really really really didn't like the whole fighting over Mickey between Bonnie and Maggie. There shouldn't have even been a contest. Plus I found some of those scenes very hard to watch. Mickey and Maggie struggled too hard and too long to have a good marriage and at this point, I think they were pair bonded to the point that no one should have been able to come between them. On top of that that classless money hungry tramp Bonnie is going to snag Mickey? This man had really good taste in women. And Bonnie does not fit that description. Think on it Laura Horton, Maggie Simmons, Marlena Evans (unreciprocated) and even Linda Patterson were respectable women of some class. Bonnie was a beer swilling broad who practically spit tobacco. Didn't make any sense that he would even talk to her. Maybe if it had not been for this story, I would have enjoyed Bonnie more. I did like her relationship with Mimi. But really I am not sure which character got on my nerves more, Bonnie or Nancy Wesley. Basically it was the same part and I hated both of them. And not in that love to hate sort of way either.

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Linda Patterson!

I remember growing up and hearing my aunt tell how Linda Patterson slept with every Horton male, except Grandpa Tom, and how she "cured" young Mike Horton from being gay by sleeping with him. Times and Days sure have changed. Thank goodness! Smile

When I first saw her she was being played by the amazing Elaine Princi and drugging and raping (I'm not sure if she actually did the deed) sexy Pete Jannings, her daughter Melissa's boyfriend.

She was basically an earlier version of Kristen.Smile

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While I was growing up

While I was growing up Margaret Mason was Linda. I couldn't get used to Elaine Princi playing the part because she was soooo different than Margaret. I had also seen Margaret playing Selena on Return to Peyton Place as well as her time on Y&R as Eve Howard. I always thought she was a very good actress that infused some sympathy in her bad girl roles.
As for Linda, in the 70s, she was not as vile as she was in the 80s. The worst thing about her was that she didn't mind sleeping with married men (specifally Mickey). Of course she was also the vehicle to turn Michael Horton straight. Then of course she married Bob Anderson and he adopted her daughter Melissa. Then up and abandoned them. Melissa was then adopted by Mickey and Maggie after Bob died. I always thought that took some grace from Maggie to adopt his ex mistresses child. One of the reasons why I always thought Maggie was a class act.
By the way thanks for reminding me of Pete Jannings! He was the most annoying character ever (well until Austin Peck too over as Austin on Days lol)

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Judi as Beth...

ChrisGa wrote:
Regarding Beth Raines, I love Judi Evans, she can basically do no wrong in my book(well, except for that horrible Bonnie role on DAYS). That said, Beth Chamberlain KILLED as Beth, particularly after she came back in '98. Again, not taking anything away from Judi, but Beth is a phenomenal actress(and I think a fair number of viewers thought she was just as good as Judi in the role). As for Mindy, Kimberly Simms will always be THE Melinda Sue Lewis for me.

I love Judi as young Beth, Beth Chamberlin was Beth and made it her own and played many facets of Beth's tragedies with some fabulous stories...but it helped greatly her chemistry as Judi's was with Grant.

This is where I different on Melinda Sue...Kim made Mindy grow-up, she played Mindy "too calm" at times, she is a Lewis and Lewis kin has tempers established Mindy being a hot head. Hated Ann Hamilton's short version, now I did actually like Barbara's Mindy, she put fire back into Mindy, but an taller Mindy was Barbara's glaring flaw, compared to Kim & Krista Tesreau...my favorite will always be Krista Tesreau, she had awesome chemistry with both Michael & Grant...take a peek Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL-bvHvgeTw Love

One of my all time favorites from GL Love

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The Fab 4

On Guiding Light for me it was all about the original fab 4. Beth is another good example of the original actor over the longest term actor for me. Judi's Beth was this highly emotional fragile girl who couldn't keep an emotion to herself if she wanted to. Beth Chamberlin was tight with her emotions. Too tight for me. I always always wanted her to let loose and explore the emotional side of the character but she always held back (I was not a regular watcher and might have missed something but what I saw was Beth never letting go.) Maybe that was appropriate for the character, but I don't know. I liked Judi's portrayal more. Over all Beth C is a good actress but I just had trouble connecting emotionally with her.
As For Phillip, there was just the one and no recasting was even close. That is Grant Alexander. When Phillip was being played by John Bolger, who I do like as an actor, I just missed Grant.
As for Mindy I am all about Krista though. When Mindy blew in, the party started. She was always the bright spot, and a little snooty and a little spoiled but always likeable. I didn't like Kim as much. She acted fine but didn't capture the essence of the character to me. I did like Barbara alot. I thought she captured the part perfectly. But then I loved her on Y&R as well as Leanna Love. I would love to see her back on a permanent basis. She could run Restless Style. The only role Barbara played that I didn't care for that much was her first one on Days as Marlena's cousin. First off she was too short for the role. Then I just kinda found her to be boring. Barbara needs that spark that the bad girl gives off.

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Well let me throw out some

Well let me throw out some ABC recasts since I didn't watch Guiding Light. I'm interested to see what everyone thinks about these recasts:

Kendall (AMC) Sarah Michelle Gellar was awesome as the bratty snot who sought revenge as well as love and acceptance from Erica but for me Alicia Minshew is Kendall.

Carly (GH)- I LOVE Laura Wright and accept her as Carly now as the woman Carly has grown to be and love her version but my favorite Carly will always be Sarah Brown. Also loved Tamara Braun and won't even GO There with that Jennifer girl that played her for a hot minute. As I have said before on these boards I think the reason the subsequent recasts have worked so well for the character of Carly are because the character grew and changed gradually with each recast rather than a 100% about face as soon as someone took over the role. Sarah Brown portrayed the original Carly as the character was when introduced. She was young, ticked off and out for revenge but she still had a vulnerability that was her just wanting someone to love her. When Tamara Braun took over the role, she had grown, gotten past the mommy issues, married Sonny and become Mrs. Corinthos. She became more mature, classier. Laura Wright took her to another level as Mrs. Jax and Carly is now more of a heroine than a trouble maker. But the character has still retained that hard ass quality that she always had where she won't give up and fiercely fights for what she wants.

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I won't do much commenting on

I won't do much commenting on Kendal because honestly I hated both versions. Didn't like Erica Kane. Didn't like Kendal. Don't like either actress that played Kendal. I never got Sarah Michelle Gellar at all in anything.

As for Carly, I have seen enough GH to address the role. Carly is a stunning character, and GH has been very lucky three times with casting. I know Tamara and Sarah's work from Days as well as having seen them both play Carly some. Although Tamara seems like a little younger than both the other actresses, she held her own quite well on the show. Sarah has a certain style that is unique on daytime and kind of a throw back to the 40s liberated woman. Sophisticated and assertive. She also has a great unique personal style that bleeds over to the characters she plays. Laura Wright is simply one of the greats as far as actresses on daytime go. I LOVED her as Cassie on GL. Cassie and Richard were one of the highlights for me during a particularly silly time for GL. Somehow it just clicked for her that she should be playing Carly. And she was absolutely correct to do so. While respecting the characters history, she just knows that character inside and out and always plays the part as if it were second skin to her. It to me feels like the others were just bench warming the part till she got there. It seems like her part alone now to me.
But since GH isn't my soap and others have been much more faithful to the show, I am sure I am sure others will disagree. I like both Tamara and Sarah and have enjoyed their work on Days. I was sorry the show couldn't do better by them, because I felt they both had potential to do well at Days. I liked Tamara's original character Ava better than her playing Nicole's sister. But even then I kinda liked that too. As for Sarah's time on Days, the drama just wasn't there. Too much time alone in that hotel room or in the sheets with Brady. Plus the chemistry between her and Brady was off. They needed to explore the character more but they didn't seem interested in doing that.

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GH's Carly

I like Laura Wright, and I had forgotten she has been on soaps forever, since Loving! She's a great actress, but I have never hated her Carly like I hated Sarah Brown's Carly. Laura Wright's Carly gets on my nerves, but I hated Sarah Brown's Carly to my bones. I mean that in "a good way." Sarah Brown elicited hate from me. She's the reason I will never, ever love anything Carly ever does and why I will never care about any of Carly's children! (j/k) That's the mark of a great actress. Sarah Brown will always be Carly to me.

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While BC did have a tendency

While BC did have a tendency to play Beth's emotions close to the vest she did have some really great emotional scenes during her time on the show especially when she first returned to town and tried to break up Phillip and Harley.
The scenes where Beth was on the balcony at Towers contemplating jumping were great and I was sure they would get her an Emmy.
BC was also really good at playing Beth's bitchiness which was a facet of the character JE never got to play.
As much as I liked JE in the role, BC is my favorite Beth Raines.