Good Girls Gone Wild: Elizabeth vs. Robin?




General Hospital's Patrick (Jason Thompson) and Elizabeth (Rebecca Herbst) have been spending a lot of time together lately and I can't help but wonder if there isn't a bit of screen testing going on by TPTB. People who read Daytime Confidential know that most of us who blog here are Liason fans, but considering Frons allegedly put the kibosh on the popular couple I started to think about what options there were to keep Herbst written into the show. A romantic pairing with Patrick was the first possibility that came to mind and after talking about it with Regan - who alluded to the possibility in her General Hospital Spoilers a few days back - I thought I'd put it up as a poll.

Imagine Elizabeth versus Robin (Kimberly McCullough). It wouldn't be as slaptastic as Elizabeth versus Sam (Kelly Monaco), but it could be a great telling of Good Girls Gone Wild.

Would you like to see Elizabeth with Patrick or Elizabeth versus Robin?

I'd love Elizabeth and Patrick. They'd make a great couple.
18% (224 votes)
Elizabeth and Patrick have potential, but I'd have to see more.
14% (172 votes)
Elizabeth vs. Robin would be awesome.
7% (81 votes)
Keep Elizabeth away from Scrubs. They have enough problems.
61% (737 votes)
Total votes: 1214

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Sad Sad Sad Angry NO there going to put the blame on Robin they always do she`s always at fault for things.We all know it to and what happens to Robin do things get worse or ,Is she going to have a one night stand with Matt hope not either way because it`s writing Robin totally out of character .Guza likes ruining the female characters alot to and no I didn`t forget AJ about what he did to hom either.

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Awww...AJ *sniff* *sniff*

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I normally just lurk here but I had to speak up. A Big Fat No to Liz/Patrick! They would totally make Liz look bad. What is with this show? Why can't they have friendships and romances that last longer than a week?

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"Perhaps my understanding of the friendship code is different, but when Denise Richards made the statement that her relationship with Richie Sambora was okay because he and Heather had been on the outs, I had to stifle my gag reflex. I dont care if my friend is off having sex with a prince, I am STILL not going to bed her hubby if for no other reason than the fact that the situation is complicated and I want to be clear that my loyalty is with my friend and ONLY my friend. I dont care if they get divorced. My friends men are OFF LIMITS unless maybe the friend dies."

So, I guess I would have to ask if your mother's husband would be less OFF LIMITS? Or, is it OKey DOkey to sleep with your step-father as long as your mother has cancer? I am just trying to figure out where we are supposed to draw the line between right and wrong.

Wrong - friends ex
Right - your ex's enemy as long as you wait at least the hour you would wait between dinner and swimming

Wrong - A friend who you have shared a long time relationship with and a mutual attraction
Right - your cousin's brother as long as you announce it to your ex first

Wrong - to kiss your ex-husband who will be trapped in a burning building while you are being evacuated
Right - to kiss the man who poisoned your cousin and play slap and tickle with him in a hot tub despite his current relationship with your mother (Don't sleep with him yet because he hasn't married your mom yet)

Interesting set of rules to live by

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Characters are made to look bad all the time...at least this would be in character. Isnt that part of the drama

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Excuse me SueBoo but WHEN did I ever (or any Sam fan for that matter) EVER say that the Ric/Sam ONS was "right" or a fine way to live? Show me that post. And please dont pretend you know my personal code of right and wrong. Its insulting.

But thats a big difference between Sam fans and Lizard fans I guess - when our gal does something wrong, something she shouldnt have done, we dont contort it around.

Sam never should have slept with ric. RIC never should have slept with Sam. Period. Have I NOW been sufficiently clear on the subject.

Lizard fans however continue to claim it was perfectly OKEY DOKEY to bed Zander while he was still married to Emily - oh that doesnt count as sleeping with a friends guy because Em was sleeping with Nik. Oh that doesnt count because Zander was a drug addict. Oh that doesnt count because it happened in a leap year, so it really only counts every 4th February.

I dont see how Sam and Ric being WRONG somehow negates Lizard's WRONG. How do they even remotely have anything to do with each other.

I dont care that Lizard kissed Lucky during the toxic balls storyline although I thought it was tasteless on Lucky's part and I thought it was stupid of the writers to have written it as somehow Lizard thought LuSam was still together while she was kissing him two feet in front of her face. TACKY

I also dont have a problem with Sam going after Jerry. She wasnt kissing him out of desire or revenge - she was kissing him to get him into the hot tub which separated him from his electronic pda. Smart thinking. What WAS wrong was Alexis sleeping with the man that held her daughter hostage and poisoned her nephew in the first place.

As for Liarson and LuSam - Who did Sam hurt. Lucky knew the drill, Lizard and Jason lied to her for months. Liarson, I might have gotten it, except it was clear, and Lizard later confessed that all those accidental meetings while she was pretending to be chummy with Sam and supposedly supporting a JaSam reunion, were an effort to make something happen with Jason. That makes it lousy IMHO.

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YOU brought up a code of conduct. YOU were referring to Liz's actions as being against a friend code.

When I was referring to "you" in the previous post, I was referring to a generic "you". I was not referring to an EET you. I was referring to a SAM you and a Liz you.

I also wouldn't presume to believe that I would know what ALL Elizabeth fans believe or would say or do. I also would never presume to know what ALL Sam fans believe or want. That is a sweeping generalization. I believe that there are in fact varying shades in there.

I, personally, don't believe it is OKAY to sleep with your best friends husband. On a scale of one to ten, I would say that Liz sleeping with Zander was a two or three because Emily and Zander were no longer together and Emily didn't care. Sam sleeping with Rik was off the charts and a twelve or thirteen. Alexis and Rik had an argument about ten minutes before the deed and Sam was flirting before the argument. Sam didn't know about the cancer. That isn't what puts it off the charts. The "off the charts" part comes from the desire to inflict pain. Alexis' living room floor knocks it up a few notches as well.

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Liarson, I might have gotten it, except it was clear, and Lizard later confessed that all those accidental meetings while she was pretending to be chummy with Sam and supposedly supporting a JaSam reunion, were an effort to make something happen with Jason. That makes it lousy IMHO.
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Is the above fact or fanfic? If Liz wanted Jason, all she HAD to do, was except his 2 marriage proposals. Jason kept asking Liz to marry him, Liz is the ONE that always mentioned Sam. So, no, Liz was not trying to get Jason. Regarding Liz sleeping with Zander (ewwwww) that is a no-no, sleeping with a friend's ex, no matter the circumstances.

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I also dont have a problem with Sam going after Jerry. She wasnt kissing him out of desire or revenge - she was kissing him to get him into the hot tub which separated him from his electronic pda. Smart thinking. What WAS wrong was Alexis sleeping with the man that held her daughter hostage and poisoned her nephew in the first place.
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Too bad Alexis thought Sam was once again going to sleep with her man. Jerry and Alexis was WRONG from the start, so was Nic getting all friendly friendly with Claudia when he found out her part in Michael's shooting....

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Thank you EET! I don't know where someone would get the idea that we think what Sam has done is Okey Dokey. As far as I can remember I've never seen anyone on DC or TFO say that. And I certainly never thought it. Criticizing one character's actions doesn't mean you condone another's.

Those things that Sam did were wrong, and I hated it. I wrote repeatedly that Sam needed to pay for what she did. I expected Liz to go batsh*t crazy on her. When Lucky found out and dumped Sam, it broke my LuSam lovin' heart, but wrote on TFO that it *had* to happen and I was glad it did.

I also wrote repeatedly that I wanted *everyone* to find out. I wanted Alexis and Nik to be completely disgusted with her. I wanted Sam to *truly* hit rock bottom. Having her loved ones be ashamed and disgusted with her, acknowledging the bitter, angry and reckless person she had become, & taking responsibility for her actions - I wanted this to happen and wanted her to realize *that's* rock bottom (not losing Jason.) I feel like when someone hits this lowpoint, it's where they go from there that really shows what they're made of. And I wanted Sam to decide who and what she wanted to be and work towards that. That's when the redemption would start.

But why the *possibility* of Liz and Patrick getting together would inspire a laundry list of Sam's bad acts is beyond me, lol.

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"Is the above fact or fanfic? If Liz wanted Jason, all she HAD to do, was except his 2 marriage proposals. Jason kept asking Liz to marry him, Liz is the ONE that always mentioned Sam. So, no, Liz was not trying to get Jason. Regarding Liz sleeping with Zander (ewwwww) that is a no-no, sleeping with a friend's ex, no matter the circumstances."

I agree that all Liz would have to do is say yes and Jason would be back. He did propose and she did bring up Sam. She was also the one that pointed out to the big lunkhead that Sam was interested in him in the first place. That is besides the point. Liz could crook her little finger and get Lucky and Rik back as well. As for Liz sleeping with Zander, of course it is wrong to hook up with your friends ex. It was wrong for Jason to hook up with Sam and to hook up with Courtney. Sonny is his bestie. Maxie with Johnnie will be wrong. Lulu is her roommate. Nikolas and Lucky with Robo-Emily is wrong. She is a freaky identical stranger to ones ex and the other's bestfriend. Those are all standards that apply in real life. On a soap, there will be "ewwwww" moments because the cast is only so big. I much prefer friends hook up with a friends' ex before the incest hook-ups.

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Actually I mentioned a few days ago that from a moral prespective, I think Lucky shouldnt be chasing Reb (even though I prefer watching those two together) or JoMax for exactly the reasons you mention. But I guess where we differ is that I certainly dont put those code violations at a two, and I certainly dont see Sam sleeping with Ric as the mother-daughter thing you imply it is - yes they are mother and daughter, but they didnt know about each other for the overwhelming majority of their lives and what little interaction they had had was negative - particularly alexis breaking JaSam up to begin with.

Plus how is by the fire, on the floor, but Liarson slinking down behind the couch
doesnt rate a similiar floor penalty point occurance?

Lizard mentioned Sam, he said I will marry you for the baby, she said how could we when you love someone else in the hopes that he would renounce his love for Sam. When he didnt she said no. But what I am talking about is things like the infamous scarf epi and the coming over and being around before and after ric/sam.

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I don't get the 'Electrick' squish name; there's only one letter 'c' in Patrick and none in Elizabeth or Liz. Or is adding letters ok with squish names?

And I'm sorry, but the only chemistry I see in today's and past episodes (not counting the fantasy ones) between Liz and Patrick (and Robin for that matter) is friendship. Liz has been a great neighbor helping out Patrick and Robin. Liz has been Patrick's sounding board, asking him to focus on his feelings for his WIFE, and steering him into Robin's orbit so he can tell her what he wants for the Scrubs marriage. Liz is also the friend stopping by to babysit so Patrick can go to Robin. To suggest that Liz is making a move on Patrick or vice versa right now is completely absurd to me.

However, it would be interesting to see Carly and Patrick going 'boom chicka-wah-wah' the way the Scrubs/CarJax pairings are looking right now.

I'm not even going to get into the Sam vs. Elizabeth one-upwomanship debate. The McWebber debate gets dragged into every GH spoiler/observation/breaking news posting on DC ad nauseum and I'm not in the mood for it tonite.

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Since this discussion is about Robin/Elizabeth and Patrick, I'll keep my comments about them as their fan.

I really don't want their friendship tainted with sleaze...GH doesn't have many friendships imo since the demise of Alexis/Jax/Ned, the four Muskateers. Girl' Nite Out..

I think some new ones need to replace these and RIZ has built an awesome friendship since Emily was killed off...I like Alexis/Diane but GH needs more women friendships...

Since they did the Brad sleaze with Robin..I certainly don't want something other than friendship starting up with Patrick. I think this is enough....I want Elizabeth in love but not with Patrick Drake. Besides for me it would be out of character for her to sleep with a friend or relative's husband.

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Electrick is a dumb mish mash name born of desperation. They should be Piz. Patrick is married and would be a fool to jeopardize his marriage to do Liz who is the town bike.

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Electrick is a dumb mish mash name born of desperation. They should be Piz. Patrick is married and would be a fool to jeopardize his marriage to do Liz who is the town bike.

LovesDog: LMAO!!

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LovesDog thanks for my first laugh of the day!

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Actually I mentioned a few days ago that from a moral prespective, I think Lucky shouldnt be chasing Reb (even though I prefer watching those two together) or "JoMax for exactly the reasons you mention. But I guess where we differ is that I certainly dont put those code violations at a two, and I certainly dont see Sam sleeping with Ric as the mother-daughter thing you imply it is - yes they are mother and daughter, but they didnt know about each other for the overwhelming majority of their lives and what little interaction they had had was negative - particularly alexis breaking JaSam up to begin with.

Plus how is by the fire, on the floor, but Liarson slinking down behind the couch
doesnt rate a similiar floor penalty point occurance?"

It ain't just the floor, it is the mother's floor in front of the window where she could be sure that her mother would have the best look-see at them should she come home. It was the intent to do harm. It doesn't matter how long Sam knew Alexis was her mother. She knew when she was flirting with Rik. She knew when she had sex with him. She had sex with a man who was married, was married to her mother, was the father of her sister, was a sworn enemy of Jason, and had no particular liking of her. That gets her off the charts points. She was trying to do as much harm to as many people as she could and she was using sex to do it. EEEWWWWWW!

Sam is the town pump.

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Town bike? Liz? Haha...Then what does that make Sam? Town carnival ride? You just know she would let men "ride" at the same time.

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Your right, Lizard isnt the town bike - she's a beggin' strip, cause she went all over town beggin like a dog in heat for Jason to let her strip. So pathetic and sad she's pathetisad.

As for the ewww factor...Alexis bullied Sam while she was 8-9 months pregnant, took the last dose of the viral antidote thus leaving Sam's brother to die (and no, I dont blame Alexis for wanting to live, but few sisters would see it any differently than Sam did, at least not without time to gain perspective)blackmailed and bullied Jason into breaking up with Sam, and called her every name in the book when she refuse to go through mommy's stepford daughter's reprogramming camp. Lets not act like Alexis was Mommy of the Year at the time Sam did what she did. Plus they were by the fire, Alexis left in a huff to go back to the office. No one was thinking window and her coming back - she wasnt expected.

I am not saying she wasnt wrong, but if Lizard sleeps with newlywed patrick that is far worse.

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she's a beggin' strip, cause she went all over town beggin like a dog in heat for Jason to let her strip. So pathetic and sad she's pathetisad.
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LMAO Liz never begged for anything. Jason wanted to give it to her freely. But if you want to talk about pathetic, weak women doing needy, messed up things, we can talk about Spam all day long. We can talk about her conning five men and stealing their fortunes.We can talk about her allowing Sonny to discard her the moment he was done with her, pregnant with his child, and pass her off on his hired hand. We can talk about her being such a disturbed mess, that when Jason broke up with her she decided to sleep with her own mother's husband, because her mother hurt her feelings. We can talk about her letting an innocent child be abducted while this "heroine" stood by and did nothing (find me one example of a Liz sin greater than that madness!), or we can talk about her hiring people to terrorize a mother and her children in a park. All Liz haters have to throw up is her having consentual sex with Zander and Jason and being fertile, LMAO, give me a freaking break. Your girl Spam is an amoral, shameless whore who lives for men. Furthermore she's evil and duplicitous and would see children harmed to spite her adult rivals. Nothing Liz has done on this show even begins to hold a candle to Spam's numerous unspeakable, and very much, in character acts fo sheer an unadulterated desperation.

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I was indifferent to Sam when she came on but I still remember what my roommate at the time thought about her: "Sonny and Jax in one night without a shower in between. What a nasty walking STD" Enough said.

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Giving us a laundry list of the bad things Sam has done doesn't change the way we feel about Liz, LOL. You guys (you know who you are Smile ) just keep telling us over and over again what she's done as if we don't know. Believe me, We Know! We're her fans, we know everything she's done and even if we don't like her actions sometimes, we love her anyway Smile

I won't go through the list of things Liz has done that range from sleazy to despicable (and *yes* she has done despicable things). In the end, it's not even her actions that are the things I hate most about her. It's the fact that she still acts like her sh*t don't stink. She's a pathological liar, a Lizocrite, and a selfish, repugnant little troll, yet puts on the Saint Lizzie act - Whateva!!

You'll still love Liz, we'll still love Sam. That's not going to change Smile

**Jamey, if you really think the only thing Liz haters can say about Liz is that she's had consensual sex and she's fertile, might I remind you of EET's Why I Hate Liz from A-Z, where she lists quite a few things Evil Big smile

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JAYYYSSSSSONNNN please...you do love meeee....dont you PLEAASE. She was surely beggin and it wasnt pretty

Lizard has no sins, how about clubbing Zander in the head and leaving him for dead, lying to multiple men about her children's paternity, stealing police evidence and letting someone else take the blame, driving under the influence, exposing her children to mob violence etc...Jamey I realize the debate thread is closing in on a billion pages long, but you must have read enough of it to know that Lizard has PLENTY of sins. But just wait a little longer, because she is about to knife her bff in the back by doing the matress mambo with Patrick. The girl has had so much grief sex that this type of hook up is now being called "pulling an hosabeth"

As for Sam, what does she have to do with Robin vs. the Easy Bake Oven of Port charles? Me thinks you lizard fans are going for a three card monte, maybe we wont notice EBO's bad behavior if you keep listing Sam's issues.

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LOL Daisy I forgot about MY OWN DAMN LIST....

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"Town bike? Liz? Haha...Then what does that make Sam? Town carnival ride? You just know she would let men "ride" at the same time."

Very true. But, they wouldn't ride for free.

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"You'll still love Liz, we'll still love Sam. That's not going to change "

At the very least, we will agree on this one little thing.

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"stealing police evidence and letting someone else take the blame, "

I have to laugh at this. Was it a horrible thing for Liz to steal that evidence? Or, was it that Sam was accused of taking it?

It was Sam who broke into the FBI headquarters and stole evidence today. Wasn't it? I guess that was OK because it was premeditated. It was done to help Spinelli? Nobody else has been accused yet? I bet Sam is gonna come forward when Winnie is accused. Ya think? Too funny!!

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WHAT IN THE HELL! Who the hell said Liz was a saint I like her character but I never said that.By the way wasn't Sonny married to Carly when they started their little affair.Ask S&C fans how they feel about Sam. But SLEEPING with your mothers husband is hoeish!No self respecting woman SCREWS her MOTHERS husband.Mothers and daughters fight but good grief. That shit was incestuous! Get over it I don't care how much of a Sam fan you are that trumps anything trampy ass thing Maxie,Lulu,Liz,Robin and anyother female character on the show (except Carly)has done. No amount of denial is going to change that.Give me a break you can hate Liz but damn wake up.Marrying men for money living off of Jason's ass no way that is a HOE. Liz has pissed me off royally a couple of times ( nasty ONS with Zander,having faith in Ric's lying ass) but nothing to the degree of Sam.I LOVE Alexis and watching Sam screw Ric in her mothers house,where her adorable little sisters live that bitch deserved her ass kicked. I don't give a damn how mean Alexis was or many times Jason told her he couldn't be with her.(Oh and by the way Sam followed Jason around after their break up too.) That was wrong and Sam sleeping with Ric had nothing to do with Liz.Remember when Alexis had cancer at first Sam so supportive then Sam started blaming Alexis for her and Jason's breakup.Sam acted like Alexis got Cancer on purpose. Swear to God I'm tired of this everytime Sam does something she's reacting out of pain not malice.If Liz does something wrong she's evil and was trying to do it on purpose.Garbage,Hot Garbage.

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Smile Well my passion for debate has no limit when it comes to GH characters know that I argue with love.If I could cook I would fix a meal for all my Jasam and liason friends.

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WHAT IN THE HELL! Who the hell said Liz was a saint I like her character but I never said that

OMG babydoll23, calm down, lol! I didn't claim you said that. I wrote "yet [she] puts on the Saint Lizzie act." geeze!

Ask S&C fans how they feel about Sam.

EET is a HUGE Sonny/Carly fan and is also a Sam fan Big smile

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LOL Daisy I forgot about MY OWN DAMN LIST....

That's what Bots like me are for EET! To remember these things, lol

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Baby, it was Jamey that said all Sam fans have on Lizard is one or two things...yet we have 200+ pages (or some absurd number) on tfo discussing ad naseum all the faults of BOTH women.

Hands off my Carly.....

UGGH on the momma is sacred crud. If momma is Audrey, maybe. Laura, ditto. Maybe the problem is we have
a shortage of good mommas on the show that it becomes relative, but lets not play like ALexis was a mother to Sam. Alexis is a decent mother to xtina and molly, but she gave sam away and was not at all maternal toward Sam for a good long while before she knew that Sam was her daughter. I am NOT saying that it wasnt wrong, but lets not act like Emily just slept with Alan.

But AGAIN, this is a thread about Lizard and Robin. Breathy Lizard is already sympathizing with Patrick. IF she goes there, under any circumstances, it makes Sam's ric and roll night seem down right innocent. At least Sam had a reason for her betrayal. In Lizard's case, Stella's just looking to get her groove back since Jason refused to roll over for her beggin strips act.

Oh and here's the dif between the stealing evidence thing. Lizard did it without any consult or planning with Sam and when the shite hit the fan, she left Sam twisting in the wind. Sam plotted with Spinwin and Jason. Everyone knew the risks. IF winnie gets in trouble, the risk she assumed was no less than the risk Sam took actually being the one to break in and was one she knowingly assumed. Plus you are assuming that she gets busted and Sam lets her twist. Its about self-determination and responsibility. Can Lizard ever take responsibility for HER choices....because it always seems like someone else gets bit in the ass when Lizard makes a mistake, whether its Lucky raising kids that arent his, Sam going to jail, Nik being investigated for Sam's hit and run etc. etc. When WHEN will the writers ever let Lizard be the one...oh wait maybe its this time. GO TEAM ROBIN>

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Unlike Sam who has paid for her bad choices? I mean, I must have missed the part where Sam was exposed to the whole town for the child endangerer that she is. I must have missed the part where Sam went to jail for her heinous crimes against babies. Damn. I'm such a negligent GH fan for missing all that.

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Oh yeah Static09, because everyone on GH pays for their crimes. I think almost every character on GH should have served time in jail at one point or another (for various crimes: murder, obstruction of justice, rape, kidnapping, etc...) These are soaps, unless an actor is leaving, chances are characters will not pay for their crimes appropriately, lol!

Oh and as far as the town finding out - I *did* say in one of my previous posts on this thread that as a Sam fan I *wanted* that to happen. It's a plot point that should have happened but never did - a loose end on GH - Shocking! LOL!

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I see no diference between Liz swiping evidence against Jason and Sam stealing evidence against Spinelli. I believe they would both be charged with the same crime. No, Sam's would be federal because she was in a federal building.

Sam's was premeditated and Winnie did go into the crime with her eyes wide open. If Raynor looks at Winnie for the loss of evedence, Jason and Spinelli will find a way to protect her.

Liz stole the evidence on a whim and destroyed it. Sam was accused but there was no evidence against her. Alcazar amd Rik made up evidence against her and that was what got her locked up. Liz didn't have anything to do with that. Should Liz have come forward and confessed to a crime that Sam was not being charged with because there wasn't any evidence? Would Sam have confessed if the tables were turned? No Way!!

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babydoll23- THere must be some rule book somewhere that Sam has that tells exactly what length of time must have elapsed before it is wrong to sleep with your step-father. Is it one month? Two? How long after you meet your mother is it wrong to sleep with daddy? Must she have cancer or be angry with you? Is it OK if your baby has died? Maybe Carly has the book too? She did sleep with Tony.

I cannot bring myself to care about this silly Liz vs. Robin thing. Liz and Patrick are not making eyes at each other. She is being supportive. Robin is her friend. Patrick is her friend. Nothing has happened except Liz being a supportive player in Robin's PPD story. That is what is the real crime. She is getting a few minutes of scrrentime. How heinous!!!

The haters jumped all over her when there were spoilers saying she and Lucky would hook up and it never happened. Now, folks are jumping on her for seducing poor defenseless Patrick. Hasn't happened. I will worry about IF it happens and not before.

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And again, I remind you of the rant that the anti-Sammers went on when there was a spoiler under the "take it with a grain of salt" column about Jerry and Sam hooking up and that she would sleep with three men
back to back. Sue, you practically threw a party to tar and feather the character. Of course it never happened. The difference is that we werent getting any hints on screen about the Sam "rumor", while we are definately seeing some chem testing with Piz. I hope it happens. Bring on the One Night Stand!

Did Sam pay as in jail time, of course not, this is a soap, but I am talking about the kind of karmic justice that we usually see on a soap. Sam had two relationships that tanked because of what she did and had to face the scorn heaped on her by those that knew. Her mother is still torn up about what she did with Ric, and it has permanently damaged that relationship. She lost her home and her job with Everyday Heroes. She got the crap beat out of her several times by Diego and got run over by a car and left for dead. Is that enough karmic justice? Maybe, maybe not, but when has Lizard so much as got a dirty look for her choices. I dont want her to go to jail or anything but I would love for Monica to find out she kept Jake from her and go OFF. Lucky didnt even stay mad at her for her lies for any length of time - Jake's not mine, your horrible, oh forget that let me steal your police files. And let me add that its not just Lizard. Isnt part of the payoff that we get in a story the REACTION? I would have LOVED Nik finding out about Sam, but also finding out about Lizard letting him twist in the wind over the accident with Sam.

THe files - I am talking about soap wrong, not legal long. Both women committed the same crime, but Lizard let someone else twist for it. When Ric and Lo made up evidence, all Lizard had to do was go to Ric tell him she took the file and if he didnt back off sam she would confess and it would be clear that he fabricated evidence. All she needed to do was own up. And to say, oh look, Sam MIGHT not speak up IF Winnie gets busted when you just argued against going after a character for something they havent even done yet -- well that seems a bit inconsistent LOL IF Winnie gets busted, Sam coming forward might only result in BOTH of them getting in trouble or worse in all THREE of them getting in trouble, putting Jason back in the same fbi vise grip. I am not going to speculate what Sam MIGHT do if the circumstances were different.

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What three men? uh? She did hook up with Jerry!! They were all over each other in the hot tub. Wasn't that the origin of the toxic balls? Alexis and the cops interrupted but stripping down and making out with mommy's boyfriend is pretty bad without the actual deed. Ewwwww!!!
Especially since she knew what he was capable of and that she has already had sex with his brother. I guess she gets points for keeping her excercise in the family. Jason is like a brother to Sonny. Lucky is her cousin's brother. Jerry and Jax are brothers. Rik is Sonny's brother. I guess it would be more likely that Sam would hook up with Patrick and move on to Matt afterward.

I really do not see any loving stolen glances between Liz and Patrick. They had interesting chemistry in the dream episodes. I can see that as chem testing. They have not given the viewer anything outside of those stand alone episodes. They are friendly towards one another. Liz has been supportive. She is pushing Patrick to talk to Robin. She told him to go find Robin. She is helping him take care of Emma. SHe will also chat with Robin. Liz is being used to highlight to Robin what a bond between mother and child looks like. Robin is having trouble connecting with Emma. That is all it is. If I saw loving glances or a hug that lasted a few seconds too long, I would say so. I don't. It is all speculation and fanfic made up by GH fans who want Liz to do something so they can have a reason to hate on her.

The Jerry and Sam stuff was on the screen for everyone to see. It was not fan fiction. I never threw a party. I am sure I rolled her in some tar and some feathers cause mom's boyfriend is almost as disgusting as mommy's husband. Now that I think of it, Sam has slept with Sonny, Jax, Rik, and almost Jerry. These are all Alexis' men. Sonny and Jax were both before she knew about Alexis being her mom but still. ICKKK! I hope Alexis doesn't sleep with Edward.

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Oh right sueboo, you have *never* jumped all over Sam based on spoilers/rumors that turned out not to be true. Sure...LOL. I guess it's not as much fun when people do it to a character you like, huh? Big smile

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I would have to say that I like to look at the spoilers but I don't really "buy in" unless it sounds very character like. Sam and Jerry seemed likely and it was.

As for Sam "paying" for her crimes and Liz "skating" without repercussions, I guess it all depends on how you define repercussions. I don't think Sam getting hit by a car was a direct repercussion of any crime. I guess her getting shoved in the trunk of Liz's or Diego's car(it was his car wasn't it?)was a payback for her having shot Diego. What was Liz being punished for that day? Was Emily guilty of the same thing? Georgie?

The thing that occurs to me about this issue of Liz never having to pay for her "crimes" is that we don't get that moment of exposure because she is back-burnered. They don't allow Liz to be the leading lady. Sam gets to be in front burner stories and that is the price she pays for it. We get to see everyone find out what she did. Sam has her icky little finger in every plot so we see how things turn out for her. Liz never gets the big reveal.

I would love to see Monica find out that Jake is her grandchild. I would love for the Q's to get mad and for Monica to yell her little heart out at Liz. That would be a very happy day for me. I know that both actresses would "bring it" and it would make for truly soapy drama. Would that be enough payback for the Lizhaters? I seriously doubt that. I also think that it wouldn't be a bad thing for Rebecca Herbst. It would put her and Monica right up front and they would end up bonding over the whole thing. I don't think it would turn out the way the haters would want it to.

Monica has also had her own "who's the daddy" experience. She knows that Jake's life would be dangerous as Jason's child. Liz is the grandchild of Steve Hardy. She is the daughter of Jeff Webber. She was Emily's best friend. Monica would love opening her arms to her and would very quickly forgive her. I want that very badly. Bring on the angry Q scenes!!!

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Okay I'll bite, whats the bet. I have one too and I am down twice that. You tell me yours and I'll tell you mine.

Sam did not have sex with Jerry. She kissed him a couple of times. big whoop. I love that everyone is so upset that Sam kissed Jerry, but there has been almost no outrage from Team Lizard at Alexis for humping the guy that put a gun to her daughter's head and exploded a building on her nephew. If that was my mother, I would have been totally DONE with her.

But really what does that have to do with the topic ...Hosabeth vs. Robin. I dont recall anyone saying Piz are stealing glances, I said that tptb are clearly chem testing them - ya know, when you stick two people in a lot of scenes together without pairing them romantically to see if the fans are interested in them. They started chem testing them with the dream sequence, and tptb have been throwing them together ever since (in a non romantic way.)

IF Lizard goes there, which is the rumor, then that interests me. I would LOVE to see Lizard and Patrick have a one nighter. And yes, I am going to root for Robin, the way I have since she showed up in PC decades ago.

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Its's true, Daisy that no one on GH pays for their crimes, but I was responding to the poster that said Liz never pays for anything or takes responsibility.

Oh, and I believe that Sam just threw Winnie under the bus today. "To be fair to Agt. Raynor, you did break into his office and steal highly classified information" "Oh, I don't want to involve my mom over FBI personnel issues" Yup, that's Sam letting Winnie twist in the wind. And she said all this before Winnie said that Raynor would open Spinelli's case if anyone tried to stop Winnie's firing. Sam doesn't give a damn about anyone else but herself. She helped Spinelli to get in good with Jason

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I haven't seen today's ep, but I'm sure Sam was FABULOUS! You can hate her all you like, but she saves lives, kicks *ss and looks great doing it! Go Sam!!

In the meantime...what was Liz doing? Was she busy holding a clipboard and making googly eyes at Patrick? Tongue