Katherine and Jill Find Out Phillip is Gay on Y&R




Last week Phillip (Thom Bierdz) revealed "his truth" to Nina (Tricia Cast). Today he revealed to Jill (Jess Walton) and Katherine (Jeanne Cooper) he is gay. In scenes at the Chancellor mansion, he told them he was forced to leave because he couldn't be what they wanted and that he didn't fit in.

Katherine didn't give an inch, asking why he "can't be honest" and "help them learn and accept who he is." Pointing at Phillip, she told him he "took the cowards way out" and "compounded it a hundred times over by sending Cane to take his place." Jill was no slouch either, telling Phillip he made Katherine believe she had done the "unspeakable" in giving away Jill's baby. 

Even after this Phillip maintained that Cane "helped them get past it" and that "through him I was finally able to to make you guys happy." Her voice trembling in a mix of anger and pain Katherine responded "Two bloody years of happiness versus 20 years of loss," she continued "do you really think that is a fair trade?"

Do you believe Phillip's reasoning and motivation for sending Cane?

Yes!
17% (63 votes)
There as to be more to this.
57% (213 votes)
No!
26% (96 votes)
Total votes: 372

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This is about as believable as when everyone was killed on Days and ended up on that damn fantasy island. Come on he died in the hospital. He didn't fall over the cliff with a body never to be found. Come on now!

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I don't care if he is gay, straight, purple or green, the guy gave up his son and I'm supposed to feel bad for him cause he couldn't live a lie?

If I was a gay man with a child, I would be highly offended by this.

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Does this s/l add up? No. But when I get to see Jeanne Cooper, Jess Walton, and Tricia Cast knock it out of the park everyday I don't give a care.

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This isn't the Phillip, this is an imposter out to get money from the Chancellor estate.

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David46208, you have a good point. Clearly it can be seen that Thom Bierdz is way older than Daniel Goddard. I find this storyline a load of crap. Replacing someone 10 years younger as Phillip 3 is just not working. Plus I am not feeling Thom Bierdz as many of the bloggers, therefore I am not excited about his return. The storyline is totally contrived and basically carries no weight. In fact Yanni (the other gay character) is doing a much better job than Thom. Even Sara Babel commented that Thom Bierdz acting skills needs work, and now he has this crappy storyline, I can bet his acting isn't going to get back.

MAB in her haste to undo many of LML storylines, should have realize that viewers are going to see that Cane is 10 years younger than Phillip 3 when she decided that Thom Bierdz should come back. I am sorry I am not one of the viewers who praise MAB and team of writers. Because whoever thought of bringing back Phillip 3 this way clearly knows nothing about writing drama. I find bloggers kiss up to the head writers because they want to be in their book. Look what happen at DOOL recently when they released the veteran actors, and based on the bloggers I thought the show was going down the tubes, instead I am watching DOOL more than I am watch Y&R because its damn good.

In case MAB don’t realize, the ratings are not what they were last year. The number of viewers is going down and it’s not because people have employment and they are not at home to watch soaps. We are just basically tired of her contrived stories.

One thing though, I am actually looking forward to the Cancer storyline, because that's very realistic. But as soon as that Phillip 3 storyline comes on, I am fast forwarding because it’s a load of crap. Not even favorites like Jess Walton, Jeanne Cooper will have me turn in for that horrendous storyline. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t refuse to watch because Thom Bierdz is gay, it’s just the way they brought him back and expect us viewers to buy it that """Yes he faked his death in a hospital""" --- Pleaseeeee! They shouldn't even try to sell that. Maybe if they had brought him back as a twin, I would have bought it.

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I really don't care.

I liked Nuke, I absolutely love Kish... but this storyline is a MESS!!!

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I have said that they should of brought him back as a twin that wants revenge against Kay that gave him to a woman named Violet that Cane was with and that would of explained Kay's memory of giving a baby away and let TB play a dark and twisted character.

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Poor motivation for Philip but I have to say I totally understand him leaving his family because he was gay. To me it makes sense. In 1989 the world was much different than what it is today and it still has a long ways to go. I don't like his reasoning for sending Cane.

I think it really doesn't bother me because LML and crew were ridiculous when they did this rewrite so I know MAB and crew had to clean the mess up someway. I am just grateful for MAB for fixing one of LML's MANY WRONGS!

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In case MAB don’t realize, the ratings are not what they were last year. The number of viewers is going down and it’s not because people have employment and they are not at home to watch soaps. We are just basically tired of her contrived stories.

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met you might want to check your facts because the ratings for Y&R have been pretty consisent with last year's ratings if not higher, but I am sure when you check your facts you will find this out. DC usually does a great ratings recap every week that you should check out.

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Well said MET welcome to the club. Bill Bell would have never brought back anyone from the dead who died in the operating room even if he wished he didn't kill them. Many fans are willing to let History be pushed aside even though the same people harp on continuity. The continuity to this storyline as I have read and even heard yelled at me though the phone and on twitter is that of WTF.

To say this a good storyline you would have to believe that Passions was worth a daytime Emmy for Best Daytime Drama.

Talk about suspending belief. You gotta suspend more then belief to buy this crap. I don't know whose taking Oxycontin's over there, but it is getting in the way of the writing.

Heffer is no smarter version of Reilly. Alden was 10 times better then this.

Now they should hire Juliet Mills as Tabitha and maybe this would all come together.

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Smitty

Even viewers will tune into bad drama. Look at B&B for example. Bad writing and bad acting overall and most watched soap in the world. There you go!

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Even viewers will tune into bad drama. Look at B&B for example. Bad writing and bad acting overall and most watched soap in the world. There you go!

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I guess you speak from experience considering you watched Passions! LMAO

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Yes I do. I sat through that mess of show only because it supported diversity. I tried to oversell that show as a viable soap opera the same way a pimp tries to sell an old hoe with a peg leg.

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David here is my thing. I understand people's frustrations with a show they love and have watched for years. Heck I was screaming this a couple years ago during LML's reign of terror. I just want to make sure everyone is using facts when making there points because sometimes people liek to fudge the truth when trying to make a point.

One minute you all say the ratings matter (when they are going down) then you say (in the same breathe) that "viewers will tune into bad drama" (when the ratings are good).

Can we get some consistency in these arguments. LOL

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do. I sat through that mess of show only because it supported diversity.

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There is only so much loyalty you can have. I'm sorry but I won't watch crap. My time is too valuable to waste it on shows like Passions and Meet the Browns or House of Payne.

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I do believe his reasoning. It makes sense.

He was trapped. He basically hated these women, and he was not comfortable in his own skin. He wanted to die. He planned on running away, and when the opportunity arose, he took it.

Now, after living in Australia for years, the guilt began to weigh on him. So he sent Cane to make it up to Jill and Katherine. Perhaps he even figured Cane would be a surrogate father figure for little Phillip.

It works for me.

The only thing I am confused about is the psychic------did Phillip pay her off into making Katherine think she switched babies? Also, was Cane already in town when he met Amber online?

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I am sick of all the Passions insults and bashings. ENOUGH!!!

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I am sick of all the Passions insults and bashings. ENOUGH!!!

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Sorry AlistairCrane but it is what it is. LOL!!! (only a joke calm down and breathe)

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Well I only support shows that support diversity. No since in sitting through an entire show that looks nothing like real America or doesn't represent its core viewers.

So I tend to peek at the other soaps and see what day the black people are on and tune in that day. If I see consistency then I will watch the whole show.

I watched GL during the Grant years and now and back again.

ATWT when they had 6 African Americans on canvas. You know the Marshall Traver days. The Camille years, and the Denise years.

B&B: Forget it.

GH: Ward years.

PC: Whole run. Even when they went all vampire and crap.

Generations: whole run...lol

Passions: Whole run...

Days: Watched through the Celeste days, Wendy/Jonah/Lexie/Abe days. Quit then came back as they were laying the groundwork for the baby switch storyline. Left when Lexie was presumed dead. Came back when she was found alive. Left again after the whole affair with Tek came out and their screen time diminished. tuned back in when Stefano returned more as a casual viewer. Invested in the whole show with the Autism storyline. Bout to bounce again if nothing picks up by August.

AMC: Thankfully the Hubbard's storyline is on youtube. So I can watch them there verses the whole show. i did watch back during the Taylor/Derek/Mimi/Vivian/Terrance/Lucas/Jamal days and even loved Noah and Julia. Gave them a shot when Amelia Marshall came on a left after that drab storyline was gone. Loved Danille and RJ.

OLTL: Me likes me watch!

SB: Until they ended the black storyline.

AW: Last 2 years they invested in black characters big time.

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A billionaire scion, paying off hospital workers and cops to fake his death is nothing like 10 serial killer victims who died bloody, gory deaths all turning up alive. This storyline is par for the course for soap operas. All soaps do returns from the dead. AMC is nominated for Emmys this year in large part to an equally implausible scenario, where Jesse Hubbard, who died on our screens as well, returned from the dead after 20 years. Y&R, of all the soaps has rarely utilized the return from the dead. To even compare this to Passions is beyond reaching 
David,
 
If they decide to bring Dru back, will you then be crying foul over the implausibilty of someone falling over a cliff and surviving it? I wasn't very good at Physics in high school, but I buy someone being given a drug to slow down their heart rate to fake their death a whole lot more than I can realistically buy people suriving neck breaking cliff dives, however I would stand up and cheer if and when it is revealed Dru survived. It would be no difference.  

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David thank you for proving everything I thought about you.

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A billionaire scion, paying off hospital workers and cops to fake his death is nothing like 10 serial killer victims who died bloody, gory deaths all turning up alive. This storyline is par for the course for soap operas. All soaps do returns from the dead. AMC is nominated for Emmys this year in large part to an equally implausible scenario, where Jesse Hubbard, who died on our screens as well, returned from the dead after 20 years. Y&R, of all the soaps has rarely utilized the return from the dead. To even compare this to Passions is beyond reaching
David,

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Jamey it is like Passions and more people are comparing the two. You may not like it but the way things have been going on over there with the back to back nuttiness of Y&R there is no other to compare it too unless you consider Dark Shadows.

Chipmunks, Chipmunks spokes man, Scooby Doo adventures, Nickelodeon style kidnappings, stuffed cats, and a this return from the dead. Now come on now. Y&R was always a cut above the rest of the soaps. It was the one the industry knew didn't rely on these type of nutty plot points to reel in the fans. It use to be the most realistic soap on air. The industry and press lauded it for generally going against the grain of what other soaps were doing. You read the same magazines I read as a child and into adulthood. Now that it just become a soap and not a cut above the rest you are willing to make concessions.

As I said before the general soap staple is to fall off a cliff and leave it open for your return. That is about as far as Y&R generally goes.

This mess now is all Passioneque. There is no way you can sit there and defend it as you know and I know Y&R is nothing like it use to be.

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Met,

As of the week before last when Phillip returned, Y&R's ratings have returned to their 5 million viewer mark of last year.

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Smitty,

In my house we didn't watch shows that had the ability to provide diversity and didn't do it. We had come too far. This was not 1962 where seeing a black person needed to be like a moment of celebration. I grew up in a world where I can demand my fair share. Or as VR says the equitable amount of screen time. NY Undercover was once the number 3# show on prime time and when the actors asked for a raise the same as others were getting they were denied and the top stars left.

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"Shows like Passions and Meet the Browns or House of Payne..."

Stop! Passion may have been a lot of things but don't compare it to the Tyler Perry minstrel shows! That's just wrong, wrong, wrong!

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NY Undercover was once the number 3# show on prime time

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Once again you should check you facts. I loved NY Undercover but it was never the #3 show in primetime. Maybe the number 3 show on Fox Network but not in primetime.

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David,

There nothing wrong with Mary Jane's stuffed cat. Mary Jane as a is very much like Sheila Carter, a super-villain who performed miraculous feats of evil and deception. You can't reject Mary Jane and accept Sheila Carter. The two are twins.

It's also odd that you would dismiss Mary Jane but embrace the outlandish Vincent Crane of Passions. An intersexed, murderous rapist who wore a mask to have sex with his father.

As for Kay Alden, you're forgetting about all that went wrong under her reign. You can look at B&B to see her handiwork in miserable action.

Y&R's ratings are twice the average for most soaps.

I don't disagree with your desire to see more African-Americans on soaps (or TV or in film). Frankly, I liked Lexi more when she was up to mischief, following in her father's footsteps. TV needs another black villainess, Lexi could have been it.

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This mess now is all Passioneque. There is no way you can sit there and defend it as you know and I know Y&R is nothing like it use to be.

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Passions and Dark Shadows both were rooted in supernatural lore and mythology. Y&R is definitely macabre, gothic and over-the-top in a lot of storylines of late, but there are no supernatural elements.

Tell me, what did you think of Lynn Marie Latham having Sheila get plastic surgery to look like Phyllis, surgery that apparently changed her bone structure and height as well, then having another inmate get surgery to look like herself before the surgery, so that she could come to town? Did that inspired work of creativity cause you as much ire?

We blasted the hell out of the Chipmunk story. It was lame and still is lame, all soaps have bad stories, it's the nature of the beast when putting out 52 weeks of drama, five days a week, per year, but when a soap is largely telling amazing stories, i.e. the gaslighting of Ashley, The Chancellor women reacting to Phillip's return, The Chronicles of Mary Jane and her Kitty, I am inclined to cut them some slack.

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WHAT?! New York Undercover wasn't ever no doggone Number 3 show in PRIMETIME?! HELP ME HOLY GHOST!

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The "NY Undercover" actors got screwed.

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I love NY Undercover. Jamey, do you think that Ashley would get a sonogram at home instead of the hospital? I don't believe that mess for a bit.

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New York Undercover was an urban hit. it never even cracked the top 30.

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I love NY Undercover. Jamey, do you think that Ashley would get a sonogram at home instead of the hospital? I don't believe that mess for a bit.

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With Ash all paranoid about Estella and thinking she's trying to drive her cuckoo for cocoa puffs, I can buy it. Plus rich folks don't always go to the hospital for stuff. Look at Michael Jackson.

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Ok, I can buy the sonogram at home, but if the baby is dead, how the heck it isn't beating or having a pulse? But it is a soap so you just have to go with it. I like Adam getting at Victor, but not at the expense of Ashley, Estella and Rafe.

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Jamey,

No I didn't like LML either. I can't cut this show slack. They wrote themselves into the realistic corner. Which was a good thing. Y&R was more of the grown people's soap. It use to make you think from time to time. It was mostly "Rooted in reality". All I know is that in an intimate interview Bill Bell named the ways to save the industry. This kind of mess on the list of things not to do. He is turning over in his grave now.

Now I have said that at the top of my list was Sally Sussman Morina. Aside from Ron Carlivati and Morina this industry is lost.

I remember when Agnes made a short return to AMC. She brought that show back from the depths of hell.

People were just hailing Hell as the second coming of Christ too quickly and she turned out to be devil in disguise. (*sighs*) I could write this show in my sleep and come up with better plotlines.

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Siomonstuart2003,

There is no baby. Ergo, there is no heartbeat or pulse. The doctor is faking all of the baby's data. The sonogram was was a recording. Doctors can provide mothers with a DVD recording of her sonogram.

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but not at the expense of Ashley, Estella and Rafe.
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But that's what makes it good, suspensful drama. Of course we don't want bad things to happen to our favorite characters, but if it didn't, you'd have no story. Scarlett could have stayed on Tara, eating barbecue and fussing with her Mammy for the whole four hours of Gone With The Wind, but that wouldn't have been nearly as epic.

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Didn't Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have a sonogram in house?

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David,

I think it's fair to say that most of agree with you about the lack of diversity on soaps. We would very much like to see not only more actors of color but have them be given stronger, powerful storylines. Similarly, having more gay characters would be great also.

Y&R is going to give Christel Khalil a front burner story that should bring in the Winters clan as she deals with ovarian cancer. That's a good start. Not the best but a good start.

OLTL seems to be trying to increase the presence of its actors of color. I'm excited about Layla and Christian. They're both great characters and the actors who portray them are beautiful.

OLTL is also growing the Evans family. Have you done anything to support the show?

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All I know is that in an intimate interview Bill Bell named the ways to save the industry. This kind of mess on the list of things not to do. He is turning over in his grave now.
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David, go look up Bill Bell's actual storylines, then we will talk. Long before Carly was buried alive on DAYS, Lauren Fenmore was on Y&R.

*Victor Newman locked his wife's lover in a dungeon.

*Brad's first wife kept him prisoner in a secret cell.

*David Kimble had the words KILLER scratched into his face by a plastic surgeon and then died via  trash compactor.

*Sheila Carter had a baby receive plastic surgery to remove his birth mark, in order to keep Lauren from recognzing it was her son.

Those are just a few of his "realistic stories" from Y&R. On DAYS he penned a story where a brother returned from the Korean War, presumed dead, with a new face and then fell with his sister, who was so distraught she became a nun. Bill was a masterful storyteller, but he also knew how to spin larger than life yarns. I bet he would be proud of his daughter-in-law.

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Jamey,

Off topic, do you have any plans to highlight OLTL's actors of color and their storylines?

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Josstheguy,

OLTL is on my lineup I watch it and am loving it. I keep calling Ebony telling them they need to highlight them in the magazine.

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I am going to wait and see about Lily's cancer s/l and hope that it is good.

I am loving OLTL and hope that Daniel Cosgrove and Gina Tognoni come to as Joey and Kelly.

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David,

OLTL's black characters develop a following, they'll get more storyline and airtime. OLTL seems to be integrating them well into the cast.

OLTL did a good job with the Gannons. They were never segregated. I do miss RJ. He was a great villain. RJ and Lindsay were a hot couple. I wish Catherine Hickland and Timothy Stickney were back on canvas.

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Jamey,

Off topic, do you have any plans to highlight OLTL's actors of color and their storylines?

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I am waiting for them to breakout a bit first. They are close. I am loving Daphne, GAWD I wish she could have been Lily Winters.

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Jamey,

I know those things happened and look at the distance in time between the those storylines. Bell did not have all the storylines seeped in nuttiness.

Soaps were setup in a way where if you didn't like something you could fast forward through it the stuff you didn't like. He would have never had followed this template. Yes he would on occasion go there. And yet it wasn't no bam, bam, bam. These storylines are so interconnected that you can't even escape the nuttiness.

I know you like Days and I would be okay with this stuff over there. The show wrote itself into that corner. So I don't expect them to ever be serious. But not Y&R. When people stop referring to Y&R as the template for other soaps to follow you know something is wrong. Y&R is now like all the other soaps an incarnation of whomever is at the helm.

All i'm waiting to hear is that Kay, Jill, and Nina are going to be kidnapped and kept in a day spa and people getting killed with potassium chloride... They will be there any day.

By the way Yes the baby thing with Ashley is not even "good horrible". It's just horrible.

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Ditto Jamey I would love her as Lily. "see..." as Shug Avery said "even Playmates have soul."

What about Brook Kerr as Lily?

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Lily at death door? It would be great for KSJ and Bryant.

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Josstheguy,

I think or hope Ron saw a way to upstage Y&R and bring on the diversity. Maybe he has been surfing the net and came across these posting and thought well you know what we need to get back to what it use to be here. I would be a great nod to history of Carla (Ellen Holly) returned as a judge. Last time she was there she was an attorney. I like Terrell Tilford. I've already got someone doing the Rachael Gannon and Shaun video clips.

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Jamey....AMEN!!!!
The young and the restless has been hot for quite a while now I can't wait to watch the next episode,whatever character you take they;re all in major storylines,I'm really really excited about this show it finally reminds me of the good old days back in the 80's.MAB and her team rocks!I'm HOOKED!