"The View's" Discusion of N-Word Spills over onto "Larry King"



The war of words that started out on the The View between Elisabeth Hasslebeck and Whoopi Goldberg earlier this week, during a discussion of Jesse Jackson's use of the N-word on a Fox News show, spilled over onto CNN's Larry King which Joy Behar hosted last night.

Fran Drescher, most famous for her role as Fran Fine on The Nanny, was one of Joy's guests and took issue with Elisabeth becoming emotional during the discussion on The View. Always one to defend herself, Elisabeth called in and sparred with Drescher for a few minutes.

The first clip is of The View and the second clip, after the fold, is from Larry King.


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Oh man, I guess they took down the Larry King clip Sad

I get Elisabeth not liking that word and not wanting anyone to use it at all, but does she really not understand that there's a HUGE difference between a white person using that word and a black person using it?! She's either extremely naive or just pretending to be.

Good for Whoopi & Sherri for at least trying to set Elisabeth straight

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I'm not touching this one with a ten foot pole....but DListed had the CNN footage

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Thanks Regan, I checked it out on DListed...

I thought Fran handled Elisabeth with class and patience (and I loved this: "You've made your point...endlessly" lol)

But what was with Elisabeth saying "You speak about women's rights and you certainly wasted no time in cutting another woman down..."??? Can someone explain to Elisabeth that being a women's right activist does not mean you can't criticize another woman... Sorry but the woman is clueless

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It is not Elisabeth's job to tell black women they can't use that word. Why WAS she crying??? That word was never used against her as a slur and if black people have taken the word and its power and have decided to use it amongst ourselves it is none of Elisabeth's concern. It's just like I have female friends who call each other the word that rhymes with witch in a joking manner. I, as a man, should NEVER call them a "B", but it is okay for them to do it to each other. It's also like when gay men call each other the "F" word. That is okay, but not when straights decide to use it in an abusive way. I HATE how Elisabeth makes every sociological issue in the world HER issue when she has no point of reference.

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Amen Jamey!!! And I'd like to add that the African American community taking ownership of the "N" word is very much like the gay community claiming "Queer" as theirs now and making it a positive... Elisabeth has a right to her opinions but the fact that she refused to understand the other point of view is disgusting, imo

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Dear God, Elisabeth Hasselback, sometimes (preferably ALL the time) you should just STFU and keep your "opinions" to yourself; it is amazing you can hear anything at all from anyone else waaaaay up there on your high, martyred horse!

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Church Jamey! Who the hell is she to say what black Americans can and can not say the word? Whoopi was fab when she said to her, "Why are you arguing," when speaking about this. Loved Sherri forgetting that Babs was her boss and saying, "I don't want to hear it come out of your mouth!"  Lissie BLECK always tries to spin everything all about her and I'm glad Fran D and the gals at the View checked her. I saw Larry King and it was fab and Lissie showed how petty she can be.

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I don't watch The View and didn't know anything about this until I saw it posted here. I just finished watching the segment and must say I have to disagree with what some of you are saying. I agree with Elizabeth on this one. I am a black woman who grew up in the projects. I have grown up hearing it used by my family and friends. And we as black people need to stop using the word niggar (I don't like when people say N-word) because this word is born from hatred and oppression. It shouldn't be used as a term of endearment.

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Say it again Jamey!! That Elisabeth just doesn't get it. When she said we all live in the same world, I said out loud "No, we don't!" and Whoppi followed. I thought Whoppi was great in this arguement. She made SO much sense I can't even tell you!

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Backstory: I am an AA woman born and raised in the state of Alabama.

No one is permitted to use that word in any manner in a conversation with me. I do not consume entertainment (comedy, music, etc.) in which that word is used.

Ditto the similar words used as examples in this discussion.

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I still can't figure out why that woman is on tv everyday just because she got kicked off the first season of Survivor. I refuse to watch that ridiculous show, I hear enough opinions of people like her. Now we get Shepherd saying Barbara Walters needs to get saved. Save this Shari! Why don't you and Elisabeth go have a vacation at the creation museum and leave Babs alone.

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Okay, so Elizabeth may have went a bit overboard, but I can understand where she is coming from, and I support her.

Watching The View these days upsets me os dearly sometimes, because It's always all these Liberal opinions flying around, and usually smacking and ganging up on Hasselbeck.

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I saw the whole show, this youtube clip barely scratches the surface. It was a good honest discussion.  Frankly, I never use the word, I am married to a black man he never uses it and most importantly, I don't think this should have been posted on this site IMO. Now you want to talk about the lack diversity in soaps, I am all for it. 

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Just to clarify... I wasn't saying that Elisabeth's views on the topic were unjustified or wrong. I get where she's coming from. My issue was her total reluctance to understand the other point of view. The fact that she was so quick to tell Whoopi and Sherri that they were just plain wrong w/o even understanding what they were saying. Whoopi kept trying to explain to her the other side of it and she just didn't want to listen.

And in a way, that's what made me angry about what she said to Fran Drescher: "You speak of women's rights...but you cut me down." As if Elisabeth has decided that a women's rights activist can't criticize another woman. Okay, that's something that Elisabeth just made up, and based on this nonsense. essentially implied that Fran was a hypocrite for criticizing her... It's ridiculous, has no basis in reality, and just highlights that fact that Elisabeth doesn't understand what a women's right activist even is.

My problem with Elisabeth over all this is not a conservative/liberal thing... It's her attitude: what she believes is the TRUTH, her view of the world is REALITY. Her understanding of people who are different than her is so limited and she comes across as narrow-minded, that it's hard to take her seriously when she talks. And then when Whoopi finally tells her what's up, she starts crying?? If she can't handle an honest debate, maybe The View isn't for her...

Okay, sorry for the rant...who knew I could feel so passionately about Elisabeth??

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I completely understand where you are coming from. There is nothing worse than someone who speaks but doesn't listen. But the same could be said for Whoopi and Sherri (at least on this topic). Elisabeth made a valid point about never using a word that was derogatory toward her race or culture and that doing so was disrepectful. Whoopi and Sherri then dismissed her claiming she was out of touch and basically because she was not black could not understand. The ladies of The View and practically everyone on planet earth has been guilty at one time or another of thinking that there way is right and anyone who objects is wrong.

Since The View is mostly a liberal show her crying could be more about the fact that she constantly has to be the lone crusader for her beliefs and the pressure is getting to her. I also have to commend Elisabeth on the fact that she was willing to discuss the topic. The problem with race relations in this country is the fact that white people are uncomfortable with discussing race. And it is to her credit that she took a stand. I didn't see Barbara say much, although I didn't watch the entire show only a clip.

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IMO it's totally ok for a black person to use it, but me as a white person it is totally wrong and I get that. I used to defend Elisabeth....well not defend. LOL But....understand where she is coming from (esp when Ro was on and I was a HUGE Ro fan)....but Elisabeth seems to have to ALWAYS be right and even IF she is a republican - she is really starting to get on my nerves. I really respect Whoopi and I just love Sherri to death...she is so trippy and funny as hell. Smile I like that Joy is funny and she kinda speaks her mind but doesn't go overboard like Elisabeth. As for Barbara LOL I just can't stand to watch her when she's on. She annoys me only because when she speaks her mouth doesn't even move and sometimes I can't even understand her! LOL I know such a small thing....

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I watched the show and I felt for Elisabeth. Whoopi and Sherri were not allowing her to complete a thought. That is often my problem with this show. They are supposed to be about five women presenting different points of view but they never let each other complete a sentence. It is very frustrating. They had an opportunity to present this issue and to discuss it from many points but Sherri was going for a joke. Whoopi and Elisabeth were talking over one another. Joy pretty much stayed out of it and Barbara relegated herself to peace keeper. I don't think she has ever expressed an opinion on this show which is pretty ironic. I would like the show a lot more if they discussed fewer issues an episode and allowed each other to speak. Wouldn't it be great if they used an hour glass and were not allowed to speak until it was their turn? How about a talking stick? It's a thought.
I rarely agree with Elisabeth but I respect her willingness to put herself out there and express the opposing view.

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As much as I tend to disagree with Elisabeth on, well just about everything, I do feel the show is unbalanced. It has gotten better since Mack Truck Rosie left, but it is still bad and after thinking about it a bit, her tears probably come from the frustration of always having to be the only one representing the conservative view point. I don't know why she doesn't at this point leverage her conservative appeal and have her management team book her a lucrative talk show on Fox News. I predict she would be a smash.

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While I do agree that Elisabeth must have been frustrated, I'm not sure if Elisabeth should be a member of a panel like this. It is very common to become frustrated during a debate, especially when your point is always being undercut by everyone else. However a sign of a good debater is the ability to have grace under pressure. I know she is very passionate about her opinion, but she needs to be able to hold it together, especially since she is the only conservative view point at that table. I think she also needs to be able to understand when a person is making a joke. It may not be so funny to her, but not every joke needs to be debated.

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I love the fact that we can look at varying opinions and listen and agree and disagree without noise and tears. Maybe the women of The View should look at these comments being posted and learn. But I guess the show wouldn't be as popular. Unfortunately, chaos is more entertaining than peace and civility. Just ask The Joker.

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The thing that aggravates me is that the show is completely imbalanced. 1 out of 5 women on the panel represent a conservative viewpoint. The rest are very highly liberal, or somewhere inbetween. The only person that I believe shares many of the same viewpoints as Elisabeth is Sherri Shepherd, but insteasd of defending or agreeing with Elisabeth, she just completely puts herself out of EVERY conversation, and trys her damndest not to take sides. I love Sherri Shepherd to death, but when you believe in something, you gotta voice your opinion. And no matter what MY views are, I think it is highly unfair to elisabeth what happens to her on a DAILY basis, and I think the imbalance is one of the MAIN reasons why she has gained the reputation she has.

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I want to know if Elsabeth is going to burst into tears when they discuss Toby Keith's use of the phrase "white trash" in his CD "White Trash With Money"? Or in Reba's song Fancy (which I love) or the song "White Trash Wedding"? I want to know how she will explain that to her son without making it all about her and bursting into croc tears? I want to know if Bill O Reilly takes time out on his crusade against evil rappers to listen to heavy metal or alternative and some of the things those artists promote. Something tells me that doesn't make his playlist, or his radar...

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Preach Jay Preach!